Blushing my way around douches to midwifery
Blushing my way through three years of training at St Vincent’s Hospital Darlinghurst to become a male registered nurse (1975 – 1978), swapping douches for less embarrassing male-oriented procedures with female nurses whenever I could, you’d think that I would have known better to go into midwifery at Westmead Hospital, Sydney, Australia in 1980.

With the wife and I both nursing there for only a short time, I decided to try my hand at midwifery because it was the traditional thing way back then to combine this course with general nursing, as both went hand in hand if you wanted to get anywhere.
For the next twelve months I subjected myself to something quite extraordinary even though in the end, I wasn’t cut out to be a midwife. Having flunked the course by a whisker, I moved onto greener pastures.
Delivery, most favoured by me, neonatal intensive care was not far behind. Miracles abounded in both units and I am happy to say not once did I drop my bundle (baby that is).
The most traumatic of times were in the postnatal wards. I had cared for women in the past, but the daunting tasks that lay before me were totally alien to me. Trying to educate English and non-English speaking women on such things as breast feeding while their partners looked on with menacing brooding eyes was certainly challenging to say the least.
Was it my inexperience? Was it because I was a male? Was it my inability to control my blushing? Was it the eyes from both mother and father burning holes in the back of my neck that unsettled me so much? Most times I felt like a Christian about to be eaten by lions!
Heaven knows how the mums felt at the time. But I did try my very best attempting to put them at ease. For example, each shift, ray lamp in hand, my perennial checks were done utilising several towels so as not to reveal too much and in the process saving their modesty as best I could.
I will always cherish the multitude of special moments during my training, especially my first delivery and assisting in the delivery of two of my children at the same hospital.
Now this brings me to another point. Should fathers be allowed in the delivery room? If you asked my wife she’d say, “Why the bloody hell not!”. Having been present for all three of our sons deliveries, my wife wouldn’t have had it any other way. To cut to the chase, if the wife or partner wants the father in, so it should be.

There has been some talk lately here and overseas about this after the media quoted a leading obstetrician as saying “the presence of fathers in the delivery room is not only unnecessary but also hinders labour”. HIs reasons are many which I won’t go into here.
Why not you say? Well my new acquaintance Ross, a male nurse from Queensland and the author and creator of “Nurse in Australia” writes in depth about this very issue in one of his latest well researched articles titled, “Should fathers be allowed in delivery rooms?”. I ask that you visit his site to take in what he has to say.
For those that have taken the time to visit here and at Ross’s site, whether you’re male or female, we would both like to hear what you have to say regarding this issue. I would also like to hear about your experiences with the male and female nurses that cared for you whilst in hospital having your baby. Father’s comments are also welcomed!
To be continued…


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19 comments - care to make one?:
Well, it's been a few years since giving birth to my two but I do remember 'issues' with my firstborn experience. The nurse that was suppose to be assisting me with breastfeeding was curt and impatient. Needless to say my breastfeeding expierence was marred by this interaction. The nurse(s) decided to bottle feed and she never really caughter on to breastfeeding. The second birth was a quick one, once we got to the hospital. A 45 minute drive and a 25 minute delivery from the ER door to baby. The only thing I recall with the nurses at this hospital is that one had a terrible time trying to draw blood, poked me 4 or 5 times before calling in the pro who got it on the first jab. I'll check out the other sites on the father issue and get back with you with my thoughts.
Hey Peter,
I already knew you have experienced midwifery (because you shared it with me in one of my posts, in the past), but reading about what you went through offers a whole new perspective.
So, partners looked at you with menacing eyes, eh? LOL men...they do not change in this department *nodding*.
Anyway, to answer your questions of why they looked at you in such a way: I think it was because you were a male (somehow, most men tend to feel threatened by other men. They always see second intentions behind the actions/words of other males...).
LOL you blushed? That is so cute!!!
"Most times I felt like a Christian about to be eaten by lions!" -- LOL LOL LOL like my Italian family would say "Che drama, Peter!" (such drama, Peter)...you kill me!
"For example, each shift, ray lamp in hand, my perennial checks were done utilising several towels so as not to reveal too much and in the process saving their modesty as best I could." - as a woman, I know how embarrassing it is to open the legs apart and have a stranger working down there...now, I can imagine how it must feel to be in a room with several women and be checked in this fashion...it must be horrible.
"Should fathers be allowed in the delivery room?" - yes, if they want to.
This is a discussion that has been the hot topic here in Portugal as well. Some doctors are beginning to think that fathers shouldn't be present (and for many years dads were not allowed in the delivery room, here) in the room; but I disagree. Hospitals have no right to prevent a man from participating in such a major event (in most cases, their sperm contributed to the reproduction process, an emotional bond has already been established, and as such they deserve to be there to welcome their kid to the world if they wish so).
I will drop by Ross' blog, Pete: thanks :D!
A cousin of mine will give birth next week, so it will be interesting to know how she was treated by the nurses.
When the time comes for me to give birth, I will share with you my impressions on nurse service :).
Wonderful post, my friend!
Cheers
Hi Peter 2,
Peter 1 checking what you have been up to. Glad to hear you survived all the jealous husbands. BTW just wished your eyes are like digital camera able to playback all that you have seen in the hospitals.
Peter 1.
Hi Moonshadow! My wife experienced the same thing with our first, especially in the delivery room and it left an indelible mark on both of us. It was not until Westmead that she, we, experienced something special, not just in our boys but in the way they cared for my wife.
Yes, the insertion of an cannula or the taking of blood can be a hit and miss for those not experienced. Here, if you're unlucky not to get it in two attempts, you hand it over to a medical officer.
Thank you for commenting and if you find anything at all about the father issue, myself and Ross will be glad to hear back from you.
Take Care,
Peter
Hi Max! Yes, midwifery opened my eyes to a lot of things, not a least the pain women go through bringing in the next generation!
Even in 1980 male midwifery students at Westmead were as scare as hens teeth!
The woman I looked after could see me coming for miles, as my face was like a shinning beacon lighting the way.
What you have said about fathers in the delivery room, I totally agree with. My son, who recently attended prenatal classes with his better half in preparation for the upcoming birth, remarked just the other day to my wife after returning, "and there I was thinking they'd put the placenta back in after the birth."
Boy, has he learnt a lot and come a long way.
To you Max, may your births be all short and sweet! Give my best to your cousin.
Take Care,
Peter
Hi Peter 1 / Peter @ Enviroman! It's fantastic that you have come by my place. (Peter 1 was my first blogging teacher)
Jealous husbands? Is that what was going through their minds! No way!
My eyes may be like a digital camera but my mind is left wanting at times.
Take Care,
Peter
Peter:
That's an interesting question you pose. I had three children, and I wasn't allowed to attend any of the deliveries. Now I know why.
My first son was born in 1965. When my wife was in labor, the female nurse frequently came into the labor room to take my wife's temperature, pulse, etc. When I inquired as to the readings, she refused to tell me. Why not?
Finally, my wife was taken to the delivery room. I waited outside. I didn't find out until much later, however, that our doctor never showed up. There was an elderly staff doctor who slept at the hospital and he literally butchered my wife. No wonder they wouldn't let me observe.
When my second son was born in 1967 at the same hospital and we encountered nearly the same experience. While my wife was lying on an examination bed with her legs up exposing her to anyone who happened to walk by, would you believe the janitor actually came in clean the room? According to my wife, it was horrible having him stand there looking at her. Later on when the nurse was taking the routine readings, temperature, pulse, etc., again she wouldn't tell me the readings. Why not?
In 1969, my daughter was born. This was at a different hospital. Even this hospital let her lay out in the hallway completely exposed to anyone who passed by. Humiliating. Then in the delivery room, our doctor (a different doctor than before) never showed up. Incredible. And again a staff doctor delivered the baby. Without anesthetic! Can you believe that? But the most unbelievable part was that he did give her an analgesic later---after the delivery! What they called a "saddle block." Absolutely unbelievable.
I was a very young man during that time, and I complained to the hospital management as best I could (both medical facilities) about the horrible treatment, and about me not being allowed in the delivery room. They refused to give me an answer other than it was hospital policy. I say they're hiding something.
So, to answer your question, should husbands be allowed into the delivery room? Yes, absolutely. Not only to see and enjoy the miracle birth of their own son or daughter, but also to serve as a witness to the whole proceeding. I am still not happy with the natal care we received and paid handsomely for.
As you probably know, one of the heated issues we are facing here in the US right now is health care reform. On the table is tort reform. Doctors want to pay less for their malpractice insurance. I sincerely sympathize, but given my history, how can I support such a proposal?
Happy trails.
Peter, great post. My daughter also mentions the language difficulties in nursing.
Have to admit I prefer a woman nurse for child delivery but the doctor can be a man. Go figure. Had a urethra stretch not long ago and at first a male nurse attended me. Was glad when a female nurse actually handed those stretchers to the urologist. :D
For childbirth, I think it depends on the father, if he is capable of seeing what goes on in the delivery room. It's a matter of disposition.
Have a super weekend!!! I see you twittered me. Off to check it.
Hugs, JJ
Great images too!!!
Hugs, JJ
Swubird, I am saddened to hear of your past experiences. After reading your comment I googled this question, "Were fathers allowed in the delivery room in the 1960's?"
To my surprise I found that it was the norm then, to not allow fathers in the delivery room. It wasn't until the late 70's and 80's that fathers started to appear in the delivery room.
But for them to have treated your wife that way and not to inform you of the simplest of things is downright wrong.
We have come a long way since those times. If only things had been different for you.
Take Care,
Peter
Hi JJ and thank you! To get over my language difficulties at the time, I would often resort to a icebreaker, where I would take their pulse with a gold pocket watch on a chain to my belt.
This, most times funny enough, made them more relaxed for some reason and made them smile.
Yes, male nurses are not everyone's cup of tea but we do try our best to make people feel at home!
As for fathers being prepared to be in the deliver room, prenatal classes are a must.
Take Care,
Peter
Peter wow this is excellent post. Fathers in the birthing room, yes it is a must, mind you I happened to have a class in my birthing room too, funny no body asked me if they could attend. Why? Because this is the only time I could ask for anything and have it, lol. Kidding aside, I think both parents should witness the miracle of life. On the other hand, my hubby said if he didn't see it come out from he, he would think that this wasn't his baby, lol, lol. No I didn't have any experience with male nurses. I had many with female nurses, and every one of them was different, and after three days in the hospital we were confused. Some were rough, and some gentle, and some very smart. I have to tell you that through first two months of breastfeeding I had the best support from the hospital. It was tough, as I developed thrush, but having my baby close was the best medicine, and I still have him, may be around 2 years I will try to cut the supplies, lol.
Excellent post...as always my friend.
Anna :)
Hi Peter!
"My son, who recently attended prenatal classes with his better half in preparation for the upcoming birth, remarked just the other day to my wife after returning, "and there I was thinking they'd put the placenta back in after the birth." Boy, has he learnt a lot and come a long way."
LOL LOL he said that? LOL so cute! And he will learn a lot more once his child is born...by God, his schooling is about to start. Parenting is one of the biggest gifts in the world, but it is also a huge life lesson. I can't wait to experience it :).
"To you Max, may your births be all short and sweet! Give my best to your cousin."
Awww, Peter...thank you *moved face*! From your lips to God's ears!
I will, thank you!
Cheers
Great post Peter. I was in the operating room for both our girls birth , it was an experience of a lifetime, to see a human come into this world is really something, we had male doctors both times and my wife or I didn't find it awkward and I never got in the way, always behind the wife's head so I'm all for it,although I gotta say I almost fainted,lol.
Hi Anna! Some expectant mothers could have made a fortune if they had have charged a entry fee!
All jokes aside, they should have asked you before letting anyone in!
If I had said something like what your hubby said, my wife would have clipped me over the ear!
I think it's best to be looked after by the same nurses so they too can bond with the new mothers and babies in order to make you feel at home.
As for breast feeding, I have heard that some mothers breast feed even after their babies sprout teeth! Now, that must hurt!
Yes, bottles are convenient but I think if mothers are able to, breast is best!
Take Care,
Peter
Hi Max! Stephen has a good head on his shoulders and will make a fantastic father. It won't be long before his little one will be fishing and playing soccer like his not so old dad!
Take Care,
Peter
Hi Bob! Good to see that you were there and that the doctors turned up for the births.
Westmead was a training hospital so students delivered most babies. As far as I can remember we had to deliver about 35 babies before the completion of our training.
So you almost fainted! Bob, you wouldn't have been the first to go through that, I can assure you!
Take Care,
Peter
Peter, yeah they should have asked, but thank God everyone was looking at the baby lol. Yes having same nurse would have been nice, but I think we came in when the shifts were changing, so we got to meet many nurses in three days. Oh well...
You know Peter I have to disagree with you, I think breastfeeding is more convenient than the bottle. Just think, no warming up, travels with you, can feed anywhere, no packing, no worries when the power is out, free food, and bonding is beautiful, lol, hope its enough reasons....
Yes they do bite when their teeth sprout, lol, and I was one of the lucky ones to be bitten too, lol. I remember next morning I found two teeth marks with little bleeding. But they learn and they know that they cannot do that. Now Matthew knows very well, because when for some reason [usually to rub his gums] wants to bite, he looks into my eyes, and does the lip motion, lol, and nips so I can start disengaging, lol.... Now breastfeeding is becoming so popular, and hospitals and OBs are really promoting here in Canada. And I am glad that I did it.
Thanks Peter for the nice conversation,
Anna :)
Hi Anna! I wouldn't be a woman even if you gave me all the gold in Fort Knox! What they have to go through!
Point taken on the breast feeding, yes, breast is best!
Babies learn so quickly not to upset mother when it comes to bad feeding habits as you say, but not so much when it comes to letting mum sleep in however.
Take Care,
Peter
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